维特斯vs科比(「键盘侠」快船表现原本是外界对湖人的季后赛预期)

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The Clippers are exactly what people expected the Lakers to be this postseason

快船目前的表现恰恰是之前外界对湖人的季后赛预期。

-If their best player doesn’t go off they lose the game, if he goes to the bench they blow the lead

- 如果他们的最强点不发挥，那他们就会输球；如果最强点下去歇着，那就会浪掉领先优势。

-Their second option has been inconsistent

- 他们的第二强点一直都不稳定。

-Their role players are just there to make boneheaded plays and be liabilities (exactly what the Meme team was expected to be)

-他们的角色球员就是各种胡打，专门拖后腿（正是大家预想中“梗之队”的样子）。

If the Clippers make it to the WCF(which I honestly am having doubts, the Nuggets straight up look like a superior team) they’re not going to have any chance against the Lakers

如果快船打进西决（说实话我挺怀疑的，感觉掘金看着更强些），那他们碰上湖人也没啥机会。

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[–]Lakers sharkhuh 10 指標 12小時前

Everyone kept saying "Clippers are just coasting, they'll turn it on in the playoffs", and I think the Clippers started believing it too without proving it first.

湖人球迷：之前人人都说“快船就是在摸鱼啊，到了季后赛他们就会认真打的”，结果快船还没来得及证明这一点，就自己开始相信了。

[–]trimble197 847 指標 14小時前

Not to mention that the Clippers have had drama before and during the bubble. The Lakers haven’t had any headcases at all this season, and that’s despite them having Dwight, JR, and Waiters.

何况快船复赛前和复赛后都是闹剧不断。湖人这赛季一直就没啥幺蛾子吧，况且他们还坐拥霍华德、JR和维特斯==

[–]redracer67 639 指標 14小時前

LeBron keeping them in check. Vogel is also a good coach, he did a great job with the pacers

那是有老詹盯着呢。沃格尔也是个出色的教练，他当年在步行者时期就善于管教球员。

[–]trimble197 281 指標 14小時前

Yep. People were adamant that Kidd was gonna backstab him, but both seem to be able to cope well together.

是啊。之前很多人还很笃定说基德会对沃格尔背后捅刀，可貌似他俩合作得还挺融洽的。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant Goffeth 313 指標 13小時前

I think a lot of people forgot Kidd was even a coach, that's how silent it's been.

湖人球迷：很多人都忘了基德也是做过主教练的，反倒说明了我湖是多么地安分。

[–]Lakers CamronCakebroman 44 指標 10小時前

For good reason.

They truly wanna be able to say they won it for Kobe. That’s an incredibly special, but mostly important, reason to win these finals.

湖人球迷：我湖这么风平浪静也是说得通的。

他们是真的想用实力告诉大家，球队要为了科比拿下冠军。这是夺冠路上极其特别但有最为重要的理由。

[–]Spurs siphillis 118 指標 14小時前

Lakers had drama, but they worked through it. Clippers seem like a group that lets things fester under the surface. Do Leonard and George really seem like team mediators?

马刺球迷：湖人也是闹过幺蛾子的，不过他们解决了。快船就像个败絮其中的集体。难道莱昂纳德和乔治看上去真的能做好队里的和事佬吗？

[–]CoolNamewxxc3 51 指標 13小時前

There’s no drama in Lakers this whole season

湖人整个赛季就没有出过任何闹剧。

[–]NBA p2datrizzle 208 指標 10小時前

That's not true, I heard there was a love triangle between Rihanna and Lebron and Caruso. Caruso won in the end but didnt want to embarass Lebron so he broke it off with Rihanna to maintain team chemistry.

这就不对了，我可是听说过蕾哈娜、詹姆斯和卡鲁索之间的三角恋。最后赢家是卡鲁索，但他不想让老詹尴尬，为了维系队里的化学反应，他和蕾哈娜分手了==

[–]Lakers kultureisrandy 43 指標 9小時前

a true teammate

湖人球迷：真-队友！

[–]Lakers chad12341296 395 指標 15小時前

I remember all the “if Lakers make the WCF” in response to the Clippers vs Lakers potential matchup

湖人球迷：之前谈论快船和我湖相遇的可能性时，我可记得好多人都说“那也得湖人打进西决才行啊”……

[–]Sixers Bandwagon Inmyheaditsoundedok 261 指標 15小時前

6 seed lakers predictions

76人球迷：赛季开始前还预测你湖排西部第六

[–]Cavaliers Jetzu 225 指標 14小時前

That was so dumb, fucking "young core" Lakers were 5th seed last season before LeBron went down, how did people think they'd get worse by adding AD?

骑士球迷：这是真的蠢啊，特么上赛季那支“年轻核心”为主的湖人在老詹受伤前都排到第五了，这都引进戴维斯了，居然还有人会认为湖人会更菜？

[–]Lakers immigrantsheep 37 指標 15小時前

tbh even they look like trash against the nuggets, the clippers have always played so much better against the lakers. then again it seems the lakers are playing so much better right now since Kuz started playing defense and Morris turned out to be the second coming of Steph Curry.

湖人球迷：说真的，哪怕快船现在打掘金打得稀烂，但他们打我湖的时候向来都是高水平发挥。不过呢，貌似我湖现在打得比之前好太多了，因为库兹马开始防守了，莫里斯也有库里二世内味儿了。

[–]Spurs lysergikfuneral87 102 指標 14小時前

The lakers role players have way way more championship and post season experience than the clippers. Rondo, Danny green and Mcgee have all won nba titles and Howard was the best player on a team that went to the finals and had deep playoff runs.

马刺球迷：湖人这帮角色球员的季后赛和冠军经验比快船强一大截。隆多、格林、麦基都拿过冠军，霍华德当初也是以大当家的身份带队进过总决赛的。

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[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook Shuggy_99 653 指標 15小時前*

Put some respect on Nuggets names. At this point I'm rooting for the Lakers to take it all but the highlight of this season would be watching the Clips lose to the Nuggets

雷霆球迷：尊重下人家掘金好不！都打到这地步了，我肯定是希望我湖夺冠的，不过本赛季的高光将是见证快船输给掘金。

[–]Lakers deeplovenoweb 418 指標 14小時前

As a Lakers fan, the Clippers choking in the semis would be more satisfying to me than the Lakers sweeping them in the Western finals.

湖人球迷：本湖蜜表示，相比起快船在西决被我湖横扫，他们在半决赛就歇菜更让我满足。

[–]Celtics CreatiScope 214 指標 13小時前

Stop, I don’t want to agree with you...

But I’m smiling from ear to ear at the prospect of the clippers getting knocked out!

凯尔特人球迷：打住，我可不想认同你……

不过呢，一想到快船要被淘汰，我这耳根子都笑出了花。

[–]Suns Fallofmen10 290 指標 13小時前

Clippers are so hated it's bringing Lakers and Celtics fans together.

太阳球迷：快船真是讨人厌啊，居然能把湖蜜和凯蜜整合到一块儿。

[–][NYK] Jimmer Fredette Just-FYI 47 指標 13小時前

I want the Nuggets to shock the world and win it all.

Jamal Murray was one of the picks NYK sent to DEN for Melo, so I feel like the Knicks contributed–in their own special way–to this sweet Denver team.

尼克斯球迷：我希望掘金夺冠震撼全世界！

穆雷是我尼克斯当年送去掘金换甜瓜的选秀签选中的，所以我感觉掘金的成绩也有尼克斯的功劳。

[–]Lakers akinator2002 223 指標 15小時前

Kawhi + PG got 120 points between them these past 2 games. The rest of the team is underperforming like crazy

湖人球迷：小卡和乔治近两场比赛得了120分。快船其余人打得也是够拉胯的。

[–]76ers Los_Ingobernablez 93 指標 13小時前

They lost all that heart they had last year. It's like they're just expecting Kawhi and PG to take them to a ring because of how hard they battled the Warriors last year lol

76人球迷：他们没了上赛季那股子心气儿，那可是和勇士苦战过一轮的。现在就指着小卡和乔治扛着球队夺冠。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant nini1423 108 指標 14小時前

Remember how "deep" they were supposed to be?

湖人球迷：还记得之前大家各种夸他们的阵容多么“深厚”吗？

[–]NBA Mithridates12 40 指標 13小時前

Is there a lack of leadership, though, be it from the star players or the coach? I know Lebron has his own style and some things you can definitely criticize, but his teams often outperformed what they should be capable of on paper. A lack of intensity, not just in one or two games, but as a recurring problem sounds like the mindset within the team isn't right.

他们是不是缺乏领导力？这得算到球星还是主教练头上呢？我知道，詹姆斯有些个人风格肯定是饱受诟病的，不过他所在的球队常常能打出超过纸面的实力。快船缺乏紧张感不是一两次了，这问题总是反复出现，感觉他们队内的理念有些不对劲儿。

[–]Thunder HPK_OKC 9 指標 8小時前

Well part of the problem is that Kawhi is used to being the best player but not being the team leader.

雷霆球迷：原因之一就是小卡习惯于做最强点，而不是球队的领袖。

[–]rifa24 557 指標 15小時前

Lakers role players heating up at the right time, clippers folding at the exact wrong time.

湖人的角色球员在正确时间冒头，而快船角色球员恰好在错误的时间装死。

[–]Rockets Nameless913 18 指標 7小時前

Ugh, don't traumatize me. Everytime we went on some sort of run one of the Laker's roleplayers would hit a three.

火箭球迷：呃，说到这个我就来气。每每我火快要起势的时候，湖人总有个角色球员能三分止血。

[–]Reign Man616 80 指標 12小時前

It’s crazy that Markief is now the calm Morris brother

不可思议啊，马基夫居然成了莫里斯兄弟里更冷静的那个。

[–]trimble197 34 指標 12小時前

Though Markief started to show shades of his brother last night if Rondo’s brother didn’t take the spotlight lol.

打火箭最后那场要不是隆多哥哥抢戏的话，马基夫就快要弟弟上身了，哈哈哈

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[–][HOU] Kyle Lowry inshamblesx 586 指標 15小時前

Would have been a first round exit if KP was healthy

火箭球迷：要是铂金健康的话，快船搞不好就首轮游了。

[–][LAL] Brandon Ingram MasterOberon 11 指標 13小時前

At worst, they escaped playing a 7 game series. Heavy load for Kawhi

湖人球迷：至少也得打满7场啊，那可得把小卡累个不轻。

[–]Rockets Bandwagon CheekyFifaCunt_7 1842 指標 15小時前

Kawhi should've stayed on the raptors lmao

火箭球迷：小卡就不该离开多伦多，哈哈哈

[–][BOS] Stephon Marbury 1000000thSubscriber 1080 指標 15小時前

He didn't go to LA to win a chip lol

凯尔特人球迷：他去年加盟快船可不是为了夺冠的哦，嘿嘿

[–]Lakers gib-an-go 1557 指標 15小時前

Plot twist: it was Kawhi who wanted to make movies

湖人球迷：大反转：原来想去洛杉矶拍电影的人是小卡啊！

[–]Lakers AnthonyDavos 64 指標 15小時前

I think his main purpose was to play with PG

湖人球迷：我觉得他的主要目的就是和乔治一起打球。

[–]aulixindragonz34 41 指標 13小時前

PG was one of his last choice. He even contacted durant first but durant declined his offer

乔治当时也是他不得已的选择了。他一开始还联系过杜兰特，不过被拒绝了。

[–]evilyellowteletubby 34 指標 10小時前

Smart of Durant tbh. Can you imagine how much shit Durant would have gotten if he joined Kawhi

阿杜还挺清醒的。要是他和小卡联手了，那还不得被喷死啊

[–]Lakers Donaldtrumpet6543 141 指標 13小時前

4th choice, he inquired about kd, Kyrie and Butler

湖人球迷：乔治去年本来是小卡的第四选择，他前面接洽过阿杜、欧文和巴特勒

[–]The_Talking_Cheese 114 指標 12小時前

Dang Jimmy and Kawhi would be a fun duo.

巴特勒和小卡这个组合还蛮有意思的

[–]Raptors Xelisyalias 18 指標 11小時前

I feel like their personalities would be a perfect match

猛龙球迷：我觉得这俩人的个性蛮搭的

[–]sersleepsalot1 82 指標 10小時前

The best result Kawhi could've gotten. Butler is a real leader and the whole burden wouldn't weigh on Kawhi. That team would be tough to beat.

如果巴特勒真来了，那就是小卡能得到的最佳局面。巴特勒是个真正的领袖，而且小卡也不必一个人扛起全部重担。他俩一个队，别人是很难击败的。

[–]Lakers davensdad 189 指標 15小時前

I don't understand. Straight up left a potential dynasty. And gave up the opportunity to form a dynasty with LeBron and AD.

湖人球迷：小卡本能将猛龙打造成王朝球队，可他却很干脆地离开了，我是搞不懂的。后面居然又放弃联手詹姆斯和戴维斯建立王朝的机会。

[–]Lakers Curlybrac 91 指標 15小時前

Kawhi is a top 5 player but he's one wierd dude.

湖人球迷：小卡虽说是前五球星，但他很怪。

[–]Lakers jtn1123 131 指標 15小時前

i don't know if toronto would be a dynasty in my eyes but they definitely would have very safe paths to the finals each year

as boston improves maybe this will be less and less accurate but yeah that's my personal belief

湖人球迷：多伦多是否能成王朝球队我不好说，但他们绝对是能够年年轻松进总决赛的。

虽说波士顿在进步，猛龙的难度会越来越大，但也还好，我反正就是这个感观。

[–]Spurs siphillis 153 指標 14小時前

Easily a 60-win team and close out Boston if they had Kawhi as their go-to guy over Siakam.

马刺球迷：如果猛龙的杀手锏还是小卡，而不是西卡，那他们可以轻松取得60胜，季后赛随便终结波士顿。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant Goffeth 48 指標 14小時前

"But it's cold up there" -Kawhi

湖人球迷：小卡表示：“可是多伦多好冷。”

[–]Raptors WiseguyD 140 指標 14小時前*

Kawhi didn't go to LA to win a chip, he went to live near his family.

We can all pontificate about whether the Raptors would do better than the Clippers (the Kawhi-PG Clips are still incredibly formidable), but the fact is the Raptors' supporting cast is just better, especially in the back-court, even if PG is better than Siakam.

猛龙球迷：小卡去洛杉矶本来就不是冲冠军，他想和家人住的更近些。

到底是有小卡的猛龙更强呢？还是现在的快船更强（小卡乔治的快船依然很强大）呢？大家各有各的看法，可猛龙的辅助阵容确实更厉害一些，尤其是后场，哪怕乔治强于西卡也是一样。

[–]Raptors sadrapsfan 115 指標 14小時前

Realistically, we are in the finals if he stayed. The team is fine but raps biggest need and what cost us is we have no shot creator.or closer.

Him staying would make us favs vs Lakers IMO. Tho I will never blame him, he wanted to go home, it's pretty clear and his team is still a legit contender. He got both his wishes

猛龙球迷：说实话，要是小卡还在，我们还能进决赛。现在的猛龙也不错，但队里最迫切的需求就是机会创造者或者终结者，这是我们输给凯尔特人的原因。

他要是留下来的话，我觉得我龙就是和湖人争冠的热门球队。不过我绝不会责怪他，他当时就想回家，这是显而易见的，而且快船现在依然是够格的争冠球队，小卡两头都得到满足了。

[–]Knicks NovaKash 62 指標 12小時前

Eh, I wouldn't say favs, but I also wouldn't call it an upset if a Kawhi-led Raptors team beat the Lakers. The contrast between Lebron backdoor sweeping a Rockets team with two MVPs and Kawhi struggling twice now to close out the fucking Nuggets despite having 15+ point lead in the third quarter should put to rest the argument that Kawhi is actually the best player in the league. Until Lebron actually stops being the best player in the league, I refuse to bet against him.

尼克斯球迷：呃，夺冠热门我觉得还不至于，不过要是小卡领衔的猛龙击败了湖人，我也不觉得是爆冷。詹姆斯绅士横扫手握两个MVP的火箭，小卡的球队却两次在第三节领先十几分的大好局势下被特么掘金干趴，这两者之间的差距应该可以让谁是联盟第一人的争论告一段落了。除非老詹真的不行了，不然我还是站他这一边。

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[–]Lakers StoneColdAM 131 指標 14小時前

Even I’m shocked as a Lakers fan. If Clippers are bounced in round 2, Kawhi will make Jerry West trade PG for Giannis or something.

湖人球迷：连我这个湖蜜都感到震惊。如果快船次轮出局，小卡怕是要逼着韦斯特用乔治去换字母哥了。

[–]Raptors rambull2000 23 指標 14小時前

kawhi and pg are performing the same this series. they’re not the problem, lack of intensity after getting leads is. both of them are settling for crappy jumpers when shit is getting tough

猛龙球迷：小卡和乔治这轮系列赛的表现都差不多。问题不在他俩，而在于领先后缺乏强度。局面变得混乱的时候，他俩都是敷衍跳投乱扔一气。

[–]Raptors Pixilatedlemon 80 指標 14小時前

I wouldn’t have been salty about kawhi leaving if he hadn’t been so goddamn weird about it. Like you wanna go to another team, fine, but don’t lead on a bunch of teams to try to assemble some “super team”.

猛龙球迷：本来我对于小卡离开这事儿也没啥好酸的，可他的处理方式太特么奇怪了。你想换个队，行啊，可你别为了组建一支“超级球队”而同时吊着好几支球队啊。

[–]anbsmxms 93 指標 15小時前

They also aplauded what kawhi did in free agency. Scheming behind teams, tampering with pg, holding up lakers as if he is a genius. When lebron does that they wiĺl paint him a villain.

小卡去年自由市场的作为不是还得到很多人称赞嘛。说他在各队之间运筹帷幄，招募乔治，像个天才一样地吊着湖人的胃口。要是老詹这么干，早被喷死了。

[–]Sullan08 79 指標 9小時前

Dude's been shady as shit for 2 years and a lot of people don't talk about it just cuz he's quiet. Didn't he lead on the Lakers long enough to kinda fuck them from signing other players? I mean, it's smart don't get me wrong, but also kinda shitty.

这家伙这两年阴得一匹好嘛，就因为他不言不语，大家就不提这茬。去年要不是他死吊着胃口，湖人至于没机会签其他人吗？你们也别误解我哈，我觉着他这种操作挺机智，但也有点卑鄙。

[–]Mavericks Anansispider 199 指標 15小時前

All year people were making excuses for the Clippers based on some wild ass recency bias. Kawhi especially.

独行侠球迷：就因为离谱的近期偏好，整个赛季都有人为快船各种开脱，尤其是小卡。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant Goffeth 75 指標 14小時前

Everyone kept saying their team was never fully together, but when they are they'll dominate.

Sounds like another one of Doc Rivers' teams....

湖人球迷：人人都说快船从未满员出战，等他们都健康了，就会打出统治力。

听着倒蛮像里弗斯带过的另一支球队……

[–]Lakers BritzlBen 48 指標 10小時前

Clippers are UNDEFEATED with everyone healthy.

All those losses with Rodney McGruder hurt don't count, how can you expect them to win without Rodney McGruder?

湖人球迷：人人健康的快船就是“不败”的！

麦格鲁德受伤时的输球都不算，没有麦格鲁德这员大将你凭啥指望快船赢球呢！

[–]Lakers jtn1123 140 指標 15小時前

i love kawhi but all the kawhi is an all time great based on 1 playoff run

he will be an all time great of course, but he isn't in the same stratosphere as kobe and bron yet lol

湖人球迷：我很喜欢莱昂纳德，可就你们因为他有过一次出色的季后赛之旅，就说他已经是历史顶级球星？

他以后当然会步入历史顶级，可他目前还不足以和科比、老詹这种人相提并论，哈哈

[–]Warriors BlankVoid2979 105 指標 15小時前

LeBron elevates his teammates and if he doesnt score he can still playmake, kawhi cant do that so when he's off he's useless. Thats why LeBron is wayy better than him.

勇士球迷：老詹是可以带动队友的，如果他不能得分，他还是能组织串联，小卡低迷的时候就做不到这些，基本废物。所以说詹姆斯比他强太多太多。

[–][LAL] Jerry West deathinmidjuly 80 指標 15小時前

I wouldn't call him useless, he still brings an absolute defensive force to the game

湖人球迷：我可不觉得低迷的小卡是废物，他还是那个防守大闸。

[–]Warriors BlankVoid2979 35 指標 15小時前

Lebron can do that better than him tho cuz LeBron is a way better rim protector and help defender, he's better at reading defenses too. They're really not even comparable.

勇士球迷：那老詹的防守可比他强太多了，因为老詹的护框和协防都远强于小卡，而且阅读防守的能力更强。他俩真没啥好比的。

[–]Raptors DavidKirk2000 21 指標 15小時前

You’re a Warriors fan, aren’t you? Kawhi wasn’t particularly great in multiple Finals games last year, including the closeout game six, and the Raptors still won. This is more of a Clippers issue than a Kawhi issue.

猛龙球迷：你是勇蜜，对吧？小卡去年也有几场总决赛打得不是蛮好，包括收官的G6，可我龙还是赢了啊。咱们现在说的是快船的问题，而不是小卡。